In this week’s episode of Talking Sense the panel discusses Thabo Mbeki’s 120-page thesis that says a counter-revolution planted inside the ANC brought the party down. Frans Cronje explains why its own policies did that, and why growing the economy at 5% a year since 2008 would have lifted more than 10 million South Africans out of poverty. James Myburgh talks about his National Press Club speech in Washington DC on the history of farm attacks and how and why the violence was normalised. The panel also discusses how the foot-and-mouth-disease crisis was fixed once farmers could buy their own vaccines, Ronald Lamola questioning debt repayments within earshot of Wall Street, Andy Burnham and the UK’s bond market problem, and Richard Tren talks about how US student loans drove up university fees.