In this episode of Talking Sense the panel discusses Ryan Coetzee’s remarks reacting to Marco Rubio's speech at the Acropolis, where he called the tradition Rubio defended "the wrong one" that must be defeated. Simon Lincoln Reader takes him apart, and Frans Cronje argues the DA now has to let Coetzee go if it wants to repair South Africa's relationship with the United States.

Bheki Mahlobo then makes the case that Jacob Zuma's death would not see the MK Party wither, because of how seriously most South Africans treat death and because Duduzane Zuma is a capable successor. The panel also discusses the attacks on Jacinta Ngobese-Zuma, Kimberly Guilfoyle's resignation as US ambassador to Greece, the federal raid on Ilhan Omar, the IMF's new global growth outlook and its cut to South Africa's forecast, a study showing South Africa is less polarised than most democracies, and why Frans expects next week's mini-budget to surprise the markets even as the tax burden passes the point of diminishing returns.