In this episode Gabriel is joined by Wandile Sihlobo, who is the Chief Economist of the Agricultural Business Chamber and the Presidential Envoy on Agiculture and Land. The discussion begins with a brief introduction to Wandile and the overall state of South African agriculture, where Wandile highlights how the agricultural industry in South Africa is flourishing. From there the conversation turns to land reform as Gabriel pitches a policy proposal from The Common Sense that is intended to help with the financing of agricultural ventures for black farmers that want to enter the industry. Wandile is enthusiastic about the proposal and insists on a follow up coffee to discuss it in more detail. From there the conversation turns to the government's position on expropriation without compensation, where Wandile insists that the government position remains that land reform will happen on a willing-buyer, willing-seller basis and that the market principle still applies. Related to this, the conversation ventures onto the racial land ownership patterns. The conversation ends on the topic of rural safety where both Wandile and Gabriel agree that the awful violence that rural communities are subjected to must come to an end.