In this clip from Makin Sense, Frans Cronje, James Myburgh, and Mike Sham discuss the Russia-Ukraine war. Frans begins by saying that the chance of peace in Europe has certainly increased. However, he argues that for that peace to hold, the Russians would need guarantees that Ukraine will not join NATO. Mike counters by asking whether the Ukrainians are biding their time and may launch another counter-offensive early in the new year. Frans responds that he does not believe the Ukrainians have the necessary manpower or the finances to drive the Russians out of their territory. He emphasises that Putin should be taken seriously when he says, "Europe will run out of Poles before we run out of Russians."